Muelsfell: Rise of the Golems - Fantasy Browser Games by Necrotales Games

Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 116 years old

Real Name: Bay
Website: Click Here

Message #11415 Posted: Sep 7, 2008, 5:32 pm

The following is posted here for the public record; there really is no good place to put it to ensure everyone sees it, so forgive me if it's in the wrong place.

To Whom it May Concern:

The magi of Magisterius University hereby charge the magi of Avae Demma Vanadt with the following crimes against our clan and the Realm of Muelsfell at large:

1. The recent actions of your members in the marketplace have not gone unnoticed; we have grown tired of your despicable and consistent one-crown undercutting of our clan's efforts to raise funds. Therefore, for the crime of unsporting conduct on the marketplace, we hereby declare war upon thee.

2. Your lack of response to our official communication with you at the beginning of the recent war with MAGIER was not only rude, but an official snub against not only the Ambassatrix but also our clan. Therefore, for your rude behavior towards our clan's official representative, we hereby declare war upon thee.

3. Your Loru made unreasonable demands of our members, expecting them to know, without prior notice or warning, which Magi are under your protection. For this unsporting intimidation effort, we hereby declare war upon thee.

As there is no outstanding alliance treaty between our two clans, entirely due to your lack of communication with our Ambassatrix, our magi have declared this war to be legal and justified. As of noon tomorrow, eastern time, we will begin our assault. If you have any questions, complaints, or desire to surrender, please do not hesitate to contact our Ambassatrix Plenipotentiary. Thank you for your time, and have a pleasant death.

Yami Kuronue
Ambassatrix Plenipotentiary to the Secular Powers
on behalf of the Council of Internal Affairs
Magisterius University

Last Edited: Sep 7, 2008, 7:30 pm

Posts: 392
Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 121 years old

Message #11417 Posted: Sep 7, 2008, 6:07 pm

Uh-oh. Two counts of being unsporting and one of rudeness. Someone's in trouble now. Open fire! Ready the Writs of Attainder!

Nanashi

Posts: 1115
Location: Asylum
Magus Age: 120 years old
Clan: OTAKU

Message #11434 Posted: Sep 7, 2008, 10:46 pm

"Hell hath no fury..." *sneaks out of the line of fire*

Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 116 years old

Real Name: Bay
Website: Click Here

Message #11435 Posted: Sep 7, 2008, 10:51 pm

*Does not reply to comments in spoken word, merely with a toothy, sadistic grin.*

Tariana

Posts: 162
Location: Broukendale
Magus Age: 112 years old

Message #11441 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 12:43 am

"Scholars" who wish to resolve petty and insignificant quibbles through force of arms.
"Scholars" who can't tell the difference between their petty little campus and the entire rest of the realm to which they are utterly meaningless and insignificant.
"Scholars" who can't figure out how to operate a free market.
"Scholars" who can't even spell "Declaration".

The Magisterius University leaders are an embarrassment to themselves, to their alumni and students, to their institution in particular, and to educational institutions in general.

I can only hope that the faculty, staff, and students of M.U. can see through the befuddled, mindless pronouncements of their leaders and replace those fools before their deranged rantings lead to meaningless damage and injury to both sides.

(The preceding was a statement of personal opinion and not an official statement of the ADV leadership. It's obviously necessary to spell that out for the leadership of Magisterius University, given their publicly-demonstrated inability to use their heads or even ask their golems for help when the thinking got too hard. I'd hate to make their brains get the ouchie feeling that makes them afraid to think.)

[Oh, and OOC, if you're going to use us asking you nicely to lay off of a six-year-old kid as reason to start a war, I for one will not rest until there's nothing left of you filthy sacks of garbage.]

Posts: 702
Location: Jaaron
Magus Age: 122 years old
Clan: ADV

Message #11443 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 12:57 am

Since this appears to be made a public matter now, rather than the private one I was working upon, here is the response that has been sent to Yamikuronue and both SMs of TOMU:

1. The market place acts as it should. You are free to cancel your sales, and price it lower than our members. We would certainly not take affront at being priced lower in the market, and welcome such healthy competition. A free market provides the best mechanism for the exchange of resources.

2. Decisions to go to war are not made lightly, and I do apologize if the expected response did not meet your expectations. We are a spread out clan, and word takes time to travel. By the time we started to discuss the matter, you were pissed. Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency upon ours.
Furthermore, assistance WAS rendered, as clan members were advised to take into consideration what clan it was when fulfilling a market transaction. MAGIER was specifically avoided while yours was favored. It is insulting for you to not remember this assistance.

3. It was unreasonable to ASK NICELY for you to stop attacking REPEATEDLY someone who we could not yet make the family connection known? Who is this reminiscent of? Oh yes, I remember now, MAGIER!
Well then, next time I'll just smash the offender's guard AND clan guard without such warning. Maybe for a finale, I'll burn the workshop to the ground. And dance on the ashes.

I soundly reject your reasons for war.

Sincerely, Loru Pegga

Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 116 years old

Message #11445 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 1:04 am

Hey, their students are perfectly capable of embarrassing themselves, we don't require any assistance from the faculty.

Oh but yeah, as to the war thing, and our reasons thereof.

Snubbing an officially appointed ambassador is just not done. If you're uninterested you should at least have the courtesy to say so, if you need time to talk among yourselves to decide, same deal, if the answer is no then that's alright too. Ignoring a representative of the clan is basically saying that said clan is beneath your notice, and is a diplomatic faux-pas.

A one-crown price decrease isn't really enough to make a difference in profits, it's just a gimmick. It's not enough to be a big deal on it's own, but it's a piece of minor asshattery that contributes well to the argument.

Oh, and the message we received wasn't exactly nice, more along the lines of "One of your guys is hitting a person under my protection, stop it or we smash." There was no mention of either the offender's name, or who it was that was under protection. The main offense there is that we seemed to be expected to have prior knowledge somehow.

(By the way, the offender was me, and I laid off as soon as I knew it was my fault, and who I was supposed to lay off of. I tend to lay off people who ask me to, whether or not they have any force to back it up, even though I enjoy a good smashing. I also intend to leave that character a non-target in the coming conflict, let not the sins of the father be visited upon the son and what not.)

Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 116 years old

Real Name: Bay
Website: Click Here

Message #11450 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 1:33 am

On September 4, 2008, 22:23, Pegga wrote:
------------------------
Fellow SM, I'm going to be polite about this first before I go shattering one of your members. Could you please send a message to your members for me?
If one is attacking a workshop which is owned by someone with a childish name, it is likely to actually be a child. And their parent might not like rebuilding the wall all the time, to the point where matters may have to be settled. That workshop may be fair game, but the attacker's workshop is as well.
Thank you for your time, and I'll be sending this to your other SM as well.
Loru Pegga

Polite, perhaps, but clearly expecting us to use our latent psychic powers to figure out what in the Realms she's referring to. Frankly, I'm very tired of this high and mighty position in which your leader refuses to deal with issues directly and instead issues orders from on high to members of other clans. When asking a favor, we prefer to be asked, not told; when we send polite letters, we expect to be answered in a timely fashion.

Furthermore, the ignored messages were sent at the very beginning of the MAGIER war - surely your clan doesn't take the entire span of the war to decide whether or not to send a polite note in reply?

Sconibulus has addressed the market issue. Reject our reasoning all you like - the notice was sent as a courtesy.

Posts: 702
Location: Jaaron
Magus Age: 122 years old
Clan: ADV

Message #11451 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 1:36 am

Sconibulus said:
Oh, and the message we received wasn't exactly nice, more along the lines of "One of your guys is hitting a person under my protection, stop it or we smash." There was no mention of either the offender's name, or who it was that was under protection. The main offense there is that we seemed to be expected to have prior knowledge somehow.

(By the way, the offender was me, and I laid off as soon as I knew it was my fault, and who I was supposed to lay off of. I tend to lay off people who ask me to, whether or not they have any force to back it up, even though I enjoy a good smashing. I also intend to leave that character a non-target in the coming conflict, let not the sins of the father be visited upon the son and what not.)

Well, there went trying to be nice and not get anybody in trouble with their clan leadership. I didn't want to call anybody out for that reason.

And didn't anybody learn anything from MAGIER's super-smash from a while back? Utterly destroying someone's golem and wall over AND over AND over AND over AND over, all for that wonderful NEGATIVE experience?! Who wouldn't be upset over that?

And I was SUPER upset at it. Using a clan trebuchet AND a clan screaming mask AT THE SAME TIME against a non-clan LEVEL THREE magus with a mere bone golem? How noble and innocent.

Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 116 years old

Message #11453 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 1:44 am

Did I take out the golem more than once or twice? I was just going for the wall, hence the trebuchet (which, incidentally only works with a ranged weapon, so the mask was sort of a requisite). I was hitting just about every unclanned magus in my area too, except those that had asked me to stop. I was basically trying to run up score to make it into the top fifty, and try to get/keep our clan in third place.

Oh, and next time, well... this is sort of to everyone... don't bother worrying about not getting me in trouble with clan leadership, I'm pretty much permanently in hot water ever since I dismantled Yami's desk and started a fire on it (accidentally).

Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 116 years old

Real Name: Bay
Website: Click Here

Message #11454 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 1:46 am

Even if there was a chance of clearing up some misunderstandings, being called "filthy sacks of garbage", "meaningless and insignificant", and "an embarrassment . . . to educational institutions" is a bit much. You've been insufferably rude to our clan consistently. We take insults to our clan and our members seriously; a clan doesn't have to be as arrogant and aggressive as MAGIER in order to incur the wrath of another clan.

For the record, it's not possible to correct typos in thread titles, or I would have. But obviously the only decent scholar in Tariana's eyes is one who never makes mistakes.

Posts: 392
Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 121 years old

Message #11459 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 2:32 am

Sconibulous Said:

Snubbing an officially appointed ambassador is just not done. If you're uninterested you should at least have the courtesy to say so, if you need time to talk among yourselves to decide, same deal, if the answer is no then that's alright too. Ignoring a representative of the clan is basically saying that said clan is beneath your notice, and is a diplomatic faux-pas.

You realize that's exactly word-for-word what your clan did to MAGIER way back when and then complained when we got irritated?

Yamikuronue said:
a clan doesn't have to be as arrogant and aggressive as MAGIER in order to incur the wrath of another clan.

And.... Ok, there's not really anything there for me to disagree with. It is touching how we seem to be the baseline comparison for attackability here. Seriously now, someone start throwing around some Writs in the senate. I need to exercise my voting muscle.

Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 116 years old

Message #11460 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 2:42 am

I thought we asked for time, and were voting on the matter when we were attacked, so we thought our window of opportunity had closed and merely retaliated. If we did in fact ignore you, then I apologize profusely and sincerely.

Well, at the moment it seems like only our clan is willing to experiment with the Senate, and we'd rather not slap a writ on someone at the onset of a war. That seems rather unfair, if it degenerates into attrition perhaps we'll consider it.

(Warning: I don't speak for the clan in any official capacity, I'm just a student after all.)

Posts: 392
Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 121 years old

Message #11461 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 3:04 am

Eh, we didn't take too much offense. Just pointing it out.

The great thing about writs is that you not only have to propose them, but find a way to convince enough people to vote yes on them to be effective. And I'm afraid that without official clan combat in effect, any clan war is currently a war of attrition.

Maybe y'all should just sterilize the whole thing and agree on some sum of money like 200k or such be the prize, and the winner is the first clan to 50k points in a skirmish.

Edit: (To Pegga below) Oh, by all means, I'm sure MAGIER will be remembered for the events which have been transpired as long as the game's around. "Posterity will judge as she sees fit"

Last Edited: Sep 8, 2008, 3:17 am

Posts: 702
Location: Jaaron
Magus Age: 122 years old
Clan: ADV

Message #11465 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 3:10 am

CommComms said:
It is touching how we seem to be the baseline comparison for attackability here.

Be proud of it, I suppose. Infamy is still one type of "famous".

Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 116 years old

Message #11499 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 4:03 pm

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!

Endovior

Posts: 172
Location: Nournsland
Magus Age: 117 years old

Message #11506 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 4:55 pm

Meh. I see this war as petty and insignificant. The University is not exactly renowned for it's combat prowess, after all...

I will be sitting this one out (read: raiding and pillaging targets of opportunity rather then members of a specific clan), and expect the majority of my clan to behave similarly. Shock and surprise, this may or may not include members of warring clans; we're an equal-opportunity pillaging horde. Fair warning.

Of course, we can be bribed.

Denerid

Posts: 279
Location: Rildesjan
Magus Age: 118 years old

Message #11513 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 6:19 pm

Disclaimer: This is a personal opinion, I do not speak for the clan.

Yeah, that's pretty much what we hoped and expected NWO would do.

This isn't a war where we're trying to build a massive coalition to help us. The University is simply annoyed over ADV's rude and unsporting conduct towards us, and we've decided to do something about it ourselves.

No one else needs to get involved, and we hope it will be business as usual for all other clans.

(Course, if anyone else wants to contribute to our effort, we certainly won't say no.)

Last Edited: Sep 8, 2008, 6:23 pm

Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 116 years old

Real Name: Bay
Website: Click Here

Message #11529 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 9:59 pm

I did inform the leaders of our allied clans that we do not require nor expect them to get involved in this.

Caduceus

Posts: 185
Location: Last Alvia Dawning
Magus Age: 126 years old
Clan: OTAKU2

Real Name: Paul

Message #11537 Posted: Sep 8, 2008, 11:13 pm

CommComms said:

I need to exercise my voting muscle.

I thought that was the intern's job? Bow chikka wow wow.

Posts: 392
Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 121 years old

Message #11569 Posted: Sep 9, 2008, 1:33 am

It was until I abstained her shirt.

Nanashi

Posts: 1115
Location: Asylum
Magus Age: 120 years old
Clan: OTAKU

Message #11573 Posted: Sep 9, 2008, 2:24 am

And he would later turn to the squires...

ADV and ToMU...good luck in your war. I will be playing the part of Sweden.

Posts: 702
Location: Jaaron
Magus Age: 122 years old
Clan: ADV

Message #11577 Posted: Sep 9, 2008, 3:00 am

Nanashi said:
I will be playing the part of Sweden.

Promise? I could do with some meatballs, and don't want to wander into IKEA. :P

Nanashi

Posts: 1115
Location: Asylum
Magus Age: 120 years old
Clan: OTAKU

Message #11582 Posted: Sep 9, 2008, 3:31 am

Pegga said:

Nanashi said:
I will be playing the part of Sweden.

Promise? I could do with some meatballs, and don't want to wander into IKEA. :P

Death by snoosnoo...? O_o;; *gulps*