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| Sconibulus Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #12949 Posted: Sep 27, 2008, 6:48 pm |
In this world of omnipresent alliance, there are few outlets for Magus aggression. To this end, the scholars of Magisterius University have devised a sporting event, skirmishing, which allows for competitive combat without placing an undue burden on the recipient of the attacks. We do hereby announce the formation of the Muelsfell Skirmish League.
We recognize that there are those that will consistently exercise their destructive talents, so we are creating a set of guidelines for those that wish to participate. Magisterius University has been granted permission to propose weekly subsidiary bills to those clans who sign up and whose members follow the rules.
The rules are as follows:
1. Coordinated multi-magi assaults on a single target are condemned.
2. Clan golems are not to be harmed.
3. Raiding upon a destroyed or disabled golem will not be tolerated.
4. You are not to grief an athlete by causing more than one golem destruction per day.
5. You are not to grief an athlete by using multiple exotic golems per day.
To sign up for the Skirmish League, or to report a breach of the rules, message Sconibulus, official league coordinator. Subsidies have commenced. Inquire Within for any clarification. Rules are subject to change, any changes made during the week will take effect at week's end, as the next round of subsidies is posted.
Current list of clan participants:
Magisterius University
Clan Wolf
Angelic Order of Knights Magier
Individual participants:
Vanishing
Clans receive a senate subsidiary, individuals receive 10% of what a clan would receive, dependent on the senate bills passing. (Possibly a percentage of the bills passed the previous week, details are unsure at the moment.
Note: We thought this too obvious to mention before, but in light of recent attacks upon this institution in the Tattler, those who do not sign up are in no way protected by these rules.Last Edited: Oct 6, 2008, 3:58 am |
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| Kaelas Posts: 1052
Location: Darghelm
Magus Age: 124 years old
Real Name: Barry
| Message #12951 Posted: Sep 27, 2008, 6:57 pm |
| As might be expected, the Magisterius University will happily take part this fine organization. |
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NanashiPosts: 1115 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 126 years old Clan: OTAKU | Message #12965 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 12:29 am |
You guys are putting Sconibulus in charge of this? O_o;;
I would have thought you guys had learned better after that burned desk incident I heard about... |
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| Echothrice Posts: 98
Location: Villuno
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #12968 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 12:33 am |
| He swore it wouldn't happen again. All I know is, he doesn't come near my office, so he can do whatever it is he does and it doesn't bother me or my desk any. |
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #12969 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 12:38 am |
| I had nothing to do with this travesty. Nothing, I tell you! Nothing! *runs screaming in terror* |
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| Endovior Posts: 172
Location: Nournsland
Magus Age: 124 years old
| Message #12983 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 5:09 am |
Ahh, so that's where those odious rules came from.
As with the rest of NWO, I'm not interested; I prefer more cutthroat marauding in my PvP. |
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| Kaelas Posts: 1052
Location: Darghelm
Magus Age: 124 years old
Real Name: Barry
| Message #12986 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 9:11 am |
@Endovior. Well and fine. Then you don't need to be posting in this thread anymore, do you?
And as for Sconibulus, well, this is an organization that will allow him to attack people without getting yelled at so it's in his best interest to have it succeed. |
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #12993 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 2:27 pm |
| Endovior said:
Ahh, so that's where those odious rules came from.
As with the rest of NWO, I'm not interested; I prefer more cutthroat marauding in my PvP.
No, they came from your SM pretending we had an alliance despite not having the popular consent of his clan, apparently. But that's a topic for another thread. |
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| Endovior Posts: 172
Location: Nournsland
Magus Age: 124 years old
| Message #13001 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 5:15 pm |
@Kaelas: Has to do with an unrelated politics thing; not particularly relevant. Just interesting seeing those same rules here.
@Yami: The consensus regarding any alliance between us was, when last mentioned: "We have allies?"
The Magier War was a temporary thing, and I don't think any of us really intended to commit to any lasting agreement. At the very least, it was never discussed. But to say more here would be apolitic; topic for another thread indeed. |
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| Sconibulus Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #13008 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 6:45 pm |
@Endovior: chances are, that's why Yami said pretending to have an alliance with us, but let us all just leave that alone now.
@Muelsfell at large: Come along, join the skirmish, get fancy fun rewards, participate in heavy PvP without worrying about getting your workshop flattened in a retaliatory strike. |
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| Elsworth Posts: 93
Location: Fellin
Magus Age: 118 years old
| Message #13012 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 10:47 pm |
You know you could easily say the same about this 'game' that you could about the NWO mercenary set-up.
"There is not enough oversight of this skirmish system at this time for this to be a safe game". |
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| Sconibulus Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #13015 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 11:30 pm |
We fully recognize that there are limits to our oversight, it the event of a rule breech, it is expected that the magus offended against will forward the combat reports of the offense and send a message to me. Some sort of fee will be assessed, payable by the offender to the offendee, or the clan of the offender will lose their loverly stipend for the week.
It isn't a perfect system, we are aware, but it should be good enought to function for a while, long enough to get some input and fix it so that it will function better. Note that there are provisions for changes in the first post. |
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #13016 Posted: Sep 28, 2008, 11:35 pm |
| Endovior said:
@Yami: The consensus regarding any alliance between us was, when last mentioned: "We have allies?"
I've taken under advisement the unreliability of Poseidon's statements and promises in the future. |
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NanashiPosts: 1115 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 126 years old Clan: OTAKU | Message #13022 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 2:22 am |
An alternative might be to set up an elimination style tournament. People that want to participate sign up and then are paired off randomly. Pretty standard idea, give prize money and bragging rights to the last ones standing.
Whoever organizes can not participate, matches are at set time agreed by both players within a day or two reduce prolonging the tournament. Both participants must send combat report to organizer to confirm win. I would think least damage of two fights (10 rounds each) or first to destroy/disable opponent wins, whichever comes first with time in between to repair but not replace.
This is heavily dependent on other people respecting the tournament and not attacking participants, but it is an idea. |
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| Elsworth Posts: 93
Location: Fellin
Magus Age: 118 years old
| Message #13038 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 8:19 am |
Nice clarification; thought you were implying something like that, but figured that'd be better to make it clear...
Carry on... ;)
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| Vanishing Posts: 76
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 130 years old
| Message #13063 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 8:25 pm |
What i think is important to everyone is exactly how much subsidies are to be paid on a weekly basis and where exactly these funds are to come from.
Then it becomes a question of are there going to be sufficient people not on the 'safe list' of sufficient level to acquire enough loot from to make not raiding the people on the list worthwhile.
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #13068 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 9:15 pm |
| Vanishing said:
What i think is important to everyone is exactly how much subsidies are to be paid on a weekly basis and where exactly these funds are to come from.
Then it becomes a question of are there going to be sufficient people not on the 'safe list' of sufficient level to acquire enough loot from to make not raiding the people on the list worthwhile.
er, what? I think you miss the point of the skirmish league...
It's like intermural sports. It's a game. We agree to play by set rules, and everyone else does whatever they want. Consider it like paintball - everyone in the game agrees that being hit by paint means you're "dead", but nobody outside the game goes and gets a death certificate if they spill some paint on themselves. If you don't want to play - and NWO has made it clear they don't - then good for you. Have fun doing whatever you'd rather be doing. We're not going to declare war on people for not playing, it's just a way to get some pvp in without picking fights with people.
That being said, NWO is seriously on our shit list now, for reasons entirely unrelated to the skirmish league. |
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| Vanishing Posts: 76
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 130 years old
| Message #13071 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 9:24 pm |
but that doesn't answer my questions.
it has been said "We recognize that there are those that will consistently exercise their destructive talents, so we are creating a set of guidelines for those that wish to participate. Magisterius University has been granted permission to propose weekly subsidiary bills to those clans who sign up and whose members follow the rules."
if there was enough in it i could be tempted to join, but i've yet to be convinced that it would be more beneficial than the current system.
and while i'm at it, would i really have to join as a clan? couldn't i just take part by myself? |
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| Vanishing Posts: 76
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 130 years old
| Message #13072 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 9:26 pm |
ps. for attacks read facts, and a dose of healthy opinion.
(just read the edit in 1st post) |
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #13073 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 9:36 pm |
| Vanishing said:
it has been said "We recognize that there are those that will consistently exercise their destructive talents, so we are creating a set of guidelines for those that wish to participate. Magisterius University has been granted permission to propose weekly subsidiary bills to those clans who sign up and whose members follow the rules."
Subsidiary bills are a type of bill in the senate. As an incentive to join we're offering to propose a subsidize bill which, if passed, would give your clan a good deal of money and resources. |
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| Vanishing Posts: 76
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 130 years old
| Message #13074 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 9:45 pm |
so the clan only gets something if it can be voted through the senate against all the other anonymous voters?
And so those who are not in clans, and would benefit most from the protection of the MSL, would gain nothing at all?
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #13075 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 10:07 pm |
| Vanishing said:
so the clan only gets something if it can be voted through the senate against all the other anonymous voters?
And so those who are not in clans, and would benefit most from the protection of the MSL, would gain nothing at all
It's an appreciative gesture.
Really, it's OK if you'd rather not join. I think your clan has made it quite clear they don't want to play with us. We understand. I'm not going to twist your arm and try to force you. Either you like the idea and want to be part of it or you don't. The real benefit in my mind is knowing that, while you'll be attacked of course, you won't have valuable clan golems destroyed or your stuff taken from you unless someone really means to declare war. |
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| Vanishing Posts: 76
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 130 years old
| Message #13076 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 10:13 pm |
I'm sorry if i sound as negative as i think i do, but i don't think its reasonable to expect people to jump at this chance without knowing the benefits. the rule system is, well no more benefit than what most players do, and for protection against those who would relentlessly attack there are clans.
And no amount of anything is going to prevent clan strife, especially not the vague threat of not getting a few extra shinies that would have been gained through raids anyway...
Personally i think the one on one golem bouts idea has some merit if it can be shown to be organised effectively across the worldwide playing arena. but the msl should be shelved until someone puts some real thought into how to make it enticing and viable. Unless they have already but continue to expect people to think it a good idea without knowing the relevant details.. |
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| Kaelas Posts: 1052
Location: Darghelm
Magus Age: 124 years old
Real Name: Barry
| Message #13077 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 10:17 pm |
Note that we never mention anything about this being a Clan only deal. It is possible, if a tad more unwieldy, to have individual Magi entering into the MSL. If a Magus joins the MSL individually, the will be given (less) funding, paid by myself.
It is also very possible for any Magus that wishes to take part in the MSL to use this as encouragement to join a Clan. I believe that even OTAKU, despite it's great size, still has member slots open so finding a Clan willing to take you in shouldn't be difficult.
As for only receiving funds if the bills pass, yes that is true. However, the more Clans and Magi that join the MSL, the more likely that each funding bill will pass (as it would be expected for participant to approve each bill, after all, you want everyone else to approve yours).
And as for the edit, read the paper. We will NOT attack or otherwise negatively effect players due solely to their not joining the MSL. If you join, in exchange for agreeing to follow the rules, you will be protected in part by the rules. If you don't join, then you can do whatever you want, but you shouldn't complain when others do the same to you.
~Kaelas, Chancellor of the Magisterius University |
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| Vanishing Posts: 76
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 130 years old
| Message #13078 Posted: Sep 29, 2008, 10:19 pm |
Yamikuronue said: Vanishing said:
so the clan only gets something if it can be voted through the senate against all the other anonymous voters?
And so those who are not in clans, and would benefit most from the protection of the MSL, would gain nothing at all
It's an appreciative gesture. Really, it's OK if you'd rather not join. I think your clan has made it quite clear they don't want to play with us. We understand. I'm not going to twist your arm and try to force you. Either you like the idea and want to be part of it or you don't. The real benefit in my mind is knowing that, while you'll be attacked of course, you won't have valuable clan golems destroyed or your stuff taken from you unless someone really means to declare war.
sorry, i was halfway through typing when you posted this, so the following post wasn't in direct reply... |
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