| Author | Thread: My golem is sick of combat [LOCKED] | Page 1 | 2 |
| Panacea Posts: 167
Location: Broukendale
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #19569 Posted: Dec 10, 2008, 2:52 am |
| I've noticed that one of my golem's currently does not attack at an optimum level, basically he'll be fine for the first two rounds and then get between 0 and 1 attacks for the rest of the rounds. In fact, it gets absolutely no action on round 5. I'm pretty sure this is a new thing and may be related to the strength buff spells as I cast elephant's strength on it and loaded it with armour so that it has a negative capacity when it doesn't have a spell. I can understand a penalty for being overloaded (I don't actually know if one has been implemented), but if there is it seems to be carrying over even after I've cast elephant's strength on it. |
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NanashiPosts: 1115 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 126 years old Clan: OTAKU | Message #19582 Posted: Dec 10, 2008, 3:56 am |
| Did you notice that Kep made a change to weapon combat so that the golem will prefer to use the equipped weapon than a fist? Could be a glitch or you need a stronger power source. |
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| CommComms Posts: 392
Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 127 years old
| Message #19660 Posted: Dec 10, 2008, 7:54 pm |
This is a completely normal thing. The way the game determines how many times your golem attacks is... wierd. It involves a random dice roll, a modifier based on the golem, a modifier based on the weapon which may or may not override the golem modifier, and then it somehow combines that with either the amount of energy you have left or the % of total energy you have left to determine how many attacks happen that round... at least as far as I can tell that's how it works.
In short: Your golem will get lots of attacks earlier when it has lots of energy, but when it runs out it will get fewer. This can be fixed by hooking it up to a larger power source. |
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| FatherCoyne Posts: 332
Location: Mallow
Magus Age: 123 years old
Real Name: Kevin Coyne
Email: KCoyne@umail.ucsb.edu
| Message #19692 Posted: Dec 10, 2008, 11:32 pm |
I dunno, CC, I think this problem might go deeper than that. Panacea's been in almost as many fights as I have (Cause he's such a jerk. :P) and I think would have seen the trend if it were that simple...
I wish I had more to say. I have noticed some 'funny' energy drops before, but I've never taken the time to pin them down. |
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| Panacea Posts: 167
Location: Broukendale
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #19702 Posted: Dec 11, 2008, 12:24 am |
Yeah Coyne's right, my pvp jerkness :) means that I'm pretty sure this is separate from the normal decrease in attacks, the pattern is uniform, 1 round to close, 2 rounds of seemingly normal combat, then one attack for all subsequent rounds except round 5 which doesn't even give my golem an action (the defending golem's combat text is there but my golem gets a blank line).
Also, the golem is a level 2 bone golem with an air gem, so I'm pretty sure it's not the powersource.
Edit: I unloaded my golem of armour before casting elephant's strength and that seems to have done the trick, although I didn't hit the defender once in the last four rounds... but I'm willing to attribute that to the game engine and that I've only done one test.Last Edited: Dec 11, 2008, 12:30 am |
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[ADMIN] ArkhamPosts: 902 Location: Mallow Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: AGOMC | Message #19703 Posted: Dec 11, 2008, 1:03 am |
Yes, there is a penalty for golems at greater than 100% capacity. Sorry, I should have confirmed that when I read this thread earlier. I'll add some extra messaging to indicate when a golem is having problems due to overweight.
I also doublechecked the capacity stuff, but didn't notice anything behaving incorrectly. Still, I'll keep an eye on it while doing other updates.
Kep |
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| CommComms Posts: 392
Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 127 years old
| Message #19713 Posted: Dec 11, 2008, 2:11 am |
| Ah, my bad. I figured the penalty for being overloaded hadn't been implemented yet since there was no messaging or mention of it. But, good to know. |
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| Avallach Posts: 100
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 124 years old
| Message #19954 Posted: Dec 13, 2008, 12:58 am |
Different issue with Elephant Strength:
My Homunculus has 84 pounds of carrying capacity left, yet I'm only looting about 40 coins and a few gold bars from the Blight Roach each kill. A couple of days ago, I was looting 100+ coins, 50 or so gems/bars each attack. Not sure if this is the 'overweight' bit or not. |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #20230 Posted: Dec 16, 2008, 6:23 pm |
| Another related questionable point- I attacked Mijal yesterday, me with a bone golem, him with a level 1 clay sporting a fire gem. I'm not complaining really, but his golem only attacked once in 10 rounds of combat, and his wall spikes didn't work for the first round. I can forward the attack report if you'd like. As far as I know there were no spells involved, and I have attacked in the with the same setup on both ends before with more normal results. Maybe this is just a fluke, but I felt it was worth mentioning. |
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[ADMIN] ArkhamPosts: 902 Location: Mallow Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: AGOMC | Message #20481 Posted: Dec 18, 2008, 5:17 pm |
I made a small capacity tweak/correction on capacity. Let me know if that does or doesn't return your loot abilities back to where they were.
Working on adding overweight messaging now.
Kep |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #20494 Posted: Dec 18, 2008, 10:06 pm |
This seems to have happened again against Mijal, he had Field of Blades going both times, maybe that makes the difference, but he got no attacks after round 5 with a fire gem on a big clay golem. I'll forward a report, in case that helps.
Edit: Woops, he had a steam engine going this time, making it even weirder. Unless it was overloaded, but I doubt it.
Further Edit: After Dilt has creamed my wall with my level 5 iron out, I notice that as soon as the wall drops to level 0 the guard golem loses interest and stops doing anything.Last Edited: Dec 19, 2008, 2:25 am |
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| Avallach Posts: 100
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 124 years old
| Message #20524 Posted: Dec 19, 2008, 3:51 am |
| My loot issues are fixed. Thanks, Kep! |
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[ADMIN] ArkhamPosts: 902 Location: Mallow Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: AGOMC | Message #20592 Posted: Dec 19, 2008, 5:57 pm |
Iaidan, have you noticed this only with a clan guard, the regular golem guard, or both?
Kep |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #20593 Posted: Dec 19, 2008, 5:59 pm |
| Both, Mijal's guard was personal, the report I just forwarded you was my clan guard. |
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[ADMIN] ArkhamPosts: 902 Location: Mallow Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: AGOMC | Message #20600 Posted: Dec 19, 2008, 6:47 pm |
The overloaded message should appear in combat now. Let me know if it appears when the "sick of combat" bug occurs.
Otherwise, I'm still trying to find out the source of the problem.
Kep |
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| Dedd Posts: 302
Location: Shilo Steppe
Magus Age: 124 years old
| Message #20843 Posted: Dec 23, 2008, 7:21 pm |
| I've been having a similar problem when defending... my golem sits around and does not return any attacks apart from on round 1... got me very confused. Can post / send reports if needed... |
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| Panacea Posts: 167
Location: Broukendale
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #20864 Posted: Dec 24, 2008, 2:50 am |
| Do you have any spells active on your workshop or golem when this happens? I've noticed that whenever I attack someone with the field of blades spell that they get two rounds of combat followed by a large blank space where there attack should be for all subsequent rounds. I've never attacked a golem with a spell cast upon it so I can't say whether it's common to all spells on defense or not. Alternatively, is the golem overloaded. |
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| Dedd Posts: 302
Location: Shilo Steppe
Magus Age: 124 years old
| Message #20883 Posted: Dec 24, 2008, 11:44 am |
| Interestingly my golem stopped attacking once the flying anvil it had cast on it - hit the other golem... it might be related I guess? |
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[ADMIN] ArkhamPosts: 902 Location: Mallow Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: AGOMC | Message #20990 Posted: Dec 26, 2008, 6:15 pm |
Is anyone seeing a message like "Your golem is overloaded and having problems with the combat" when attacking with these same golems that are having problems defending?
I'm having difficulties replicating this in testing, even with overloaded golems and defensive spells.
Kep |
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| Dedd Posts: 302
Location: Shilo Steppe
Magus Age: 124 years old
| Message #21050 Posted: Dec 27, 2008, 11:20 pm |
| My golem definitely was not overloaded, in was rather underloaded actually... |
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[ADMIN] ArkhamPosts: 902 Location: Mallow Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: AGOMC | Message #21072 Posted: Dec 28, 2008, 4:43 pm |
Maddening to find this one, heh! Let's attack it from another angle.
In what situations are you finding this problem NOT happening? Does it always happen with a specific spell or spells? Does it happen when there's no spell at all?
Is it ONLY happening to the defender, or does the attacker still get sick sometimes, too?
Kep |
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| Sconibulus Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #21078 Posted: Dec 28, 2008, 6:09 pm |
| I think this might be an ancient bug, predating spells... it seemed to happen sometimes when one golem had longer reach than the other. I posted a bug then but I think it happened when the longer-reached golem closed to melee. The melee flag had been tripped, but the shorter-armed golem was out of range, so wouldn't get any attacks. As far as I can recall, I haven't seen it when a ranged weapon is equipped and a golem is on hangback, although I did once see a golem stop attacking for a round or three, then back up and fire, then attack normally again. |
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| Panacea Posts: 167
Location: Broukendale
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #21088 Posted: Dec 29, 2008, 1:44 am |
Hmmm really, I've never encountered this bug prior to spells. (Actually I've just looked at my recent combat reports and noticed that something like this has occurred at least once before, when a level 5 bone with the frost damage spell attacked my level 1 clay, no spell)
Primarily though, I have only seen this bug occur when the defending golem has flying anvil or when field of blades is cast on the defender's workshop. I'm relatively sure that each time the attacker also had a spell upon it. In contrast to Sconi's hypothesis, most of the times the attacking golem had the shorter reach.
I've noticed it doesn't happen when I attack a non-spelled golem ever and that it doesn't occur with the elemental resist spells.
I haven't noticed it happening to the attacker, but I've been careful not to overload my golem. |
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| Kaelas Posts: 1052
Location: Darghelm
Magus Age: 124 years old
Real Name: Barry
| Message #21390 Posted: Jan 2, 2009, 4:55 am |
I just had three instantces of this bug. My golem had the thunder attack buff, the other golem had nothing, and neither did the workshop itself. My golem was not overburdened. I have the reports if you like.
EDIT: I should add that it was the other golem that just stood there. Three straight flawless victories against Iron 5 golems because they didn't even try to attack me. All well and good but bugs make me uneasy,Last Edited: Jan 2, 2009, 10:11 am |
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HalfteaPosts: 1307 Location: Darghelm Magus Age: 139 years old Clan: ADV | Message #21392 Posted: Jan 2, 2009, 5:15 am |
| Kaelas: Did you think maybe it's trying to tell you something? ;p |
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