| Author | Thread: Plus Size Powersource [LOCKED] |
| FatherCoyne Posts: 332
Location: Mallow
Magus Age: 123 years old
Real Name: Kevin Coyne
Email: KCoyne@umail.ucsb.edu
| Message #2676 Posted: May 21, 2008, 8:39 pm |
So, I just got my hands on a nice juicy Oroboros, and I was going to put it into the abdomen of my level one copper golem, which I had extended so it would fit, only to find that it doesn't show up in the pop down menu. It only shows up in the chest, where it can't be equipped.
I've never seen it documented anywhere that larger power sources had to be put in the chest, so I'm going to assume it's a bug. If it is a feature... Well, it isn't a very good one then, in my opinion. XD |
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| Sterling Posts: 157
Location: Darghelm
Magus Age: 126 years old
| Message #2677 Posted: May 21, 2008, 9:27 pm |
I asked Arkham about this, w/respect to the steam engine. He said it was not a bug. :(
It's not a good feature in my opinion either. The Oroboros and Steam Engine are most definitely not worth the high price of entry. Between this extra 'requirement' and the fact that they don't offer that significant a motivation reduction, nor is the energy boost that great, yeah, the elemental fire gem seems way better.
FYI
Elemental fire gem, 340 power, construction cost ~8k money. Reduces motivation cost by 5 (min 6 of course). 3 slots
Oroboros - 25k money + 1000 gold, level 4, 360 energy (less than 6% better than fire gem) Reduces motivation cost by 5 (same as fire gem). Can only be equipped chest.
Steam engine - 37.5k money, 250 adamantine, 1500 gold. 400 energy (17% better than fire gem). Reduces motivation cost by 6. 4 slots. Can only be equipped to chest.
So, yeah, overall, these are only worth it on defense, since you have to pay more motivation for a bigger golem to fit them, more than outweighing the motivation reduction (which, stunningly, is no better on the oroboros than on the fire gem), and there's no way I'd put out a golem with such an expensive item out on defense, just not worth it.
I wish their motivation reduction was enough to make it worthwhile to field the rare metal golems in PvE, that's what I had been hoping for. |
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| FatherCoyne Posts: 332
Location: Mallow
Magus Age: 123 years old
Real Name: Kevin Coyne
Email: KCoyne@umail.ucsb.edu
| Message #2678 Posted: May 21, 2008, 9:36 pm |
| Well, that's seven kinds of dissapointing. :-\ Guess I'll try something else then. |
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| Nageya Posts: 86
Location: Asylum
Magus Age: 118 years old
| Message #2679 Posted: May 21, 2008, 10:26 pm |
| Darn the can't be used by low lvl golems and fairly low gains in energy just don't make the higher lvl power sources worth researching. |
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| Sterling Posts: 157
Location: Darghelm
Magus Age: 126 years old
| Message #2684 Posted: May 22, 2008, 7:19 am |
| Hey at least I saved you guys the cost of finding out. Though, if someone doesn't trust me on that, I have a steam engine for sale, cheap, just 60,000 money. |
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| Sterling Posts: 157
Location: Darghelm
Magus Age: 126 years old
| Message #2783 Posted: May 25, 2008, 5:44 am |
Oh, also, another reason the steam engine sucks
It weights 250 lbs.
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[ADMIN] ArkhamPosts: 902 Location: Mallow Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: AGOMC | Message #2814 Posted: May 25, 2008, 1:38 pm |
Aroo? Okay, you've got an "old" steam-engine.
I've fixed the weight and will review items in general during the week for other problems. Any fixes I make will automatically affect items in game as well.
Kep |
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| Gordius Posts: 20
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #10158 Posted: Aug 14, 2008, 4:21 am |
| To the extent this clearly something that remains deliberate, it would be nice if one were told this somewhere on the artificer page (or even library page). Assuming I don't read every forum thread, there's no way for me to know that the ouroboros I've been saving up for is not going to work the same way as every other power source I've used to this point. Had I known, I wouldn't have made it, and probably wouldn't have spent the research resources. |
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| CommComms Posts: 392
Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 127 years old
| Message #10162 Posted: Aug 14, 2008, 5:08 am |
| Welcome to one of many hidden values that would be nice to have displayed, but aren't in this game. Though this is probably one of the more expensive ones to find out about. |
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[ADMIN] ArkhamPosts: 902 Location: Mallow Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: AGOMC | Message #10186 Posted: Aug 14, 2008, 4:25 pm |
The information in this thread is somewhat out of date.
The advantage of the ouroboros is that it has 360 energy at a weight of only 30 lbs, which means more carrying capacity for armour. Yes, it only fits in the chest and takes up 3 slots.
The steam engine is 125 lbs, is chest only, and takes up 4 slots, but has 450 energy.
They're both intended to be used by the largest of golems.
Kep |
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| Gordius Posts: 20
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #10223 Posted: Aug 15, 2008, 4:08 am |
| The information problem is that the benefit (360 power for 30 lbs) appears on the Artificer screen, but the cost (chest only) doesn't. This thread is the only place that tradeoff is explained, so it is easy to build an ouroboros without realizing the tradeoff exists. It isn't a bug, but it looks like a bug, because the inability to use a new power source the way that all others have worked isn't the outcome you're expecting. |
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NecariaPosts: 505 Location: Rildesjan Magus Age: 122 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #10226 Posted: Aug 15, 2008, 4:16 am |
| Well, it's not totally out of the blue as the smaller power sources(think up to voidstone, but possibly a bit earlier than that) can be put on the pelvis and the following ones can't.. But I admit that's not the easiest thing to notice. |
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