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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #37376 Posted: Oct 2, 2009, 4:11 pm |
Has anyone else noticed adamantine golems missing seemingly more than others? It's probably just my imagination, but:
Mark5 attacks with its bronze dagger and misses 10 times, failing to hit at all.
Akhenaten the Enigmatic Dragon attacks with its razor-like nails and misses once, failing to hit at all.
[Round 8] Mark5 holds its ground while Akhenaten the Enigmatic Dragon holds its ground.
Mark5 attacks with its bronze dagger and misses 14 times, failing to hit at all.
This in full daylight, with diamond eyes. And seemingly not a random fluke, as I tried again, with similar results. I know those dragons dodge pretty well, but the addy seems to do much worse than others I've tried. |
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| Xlrate Posts: 232
Location: Rildesjan
Magus Age: 114 years old
| Message #37378 Posted: Oct 2, 2009, 4:47 pm |
| I want a bronze dagger.... |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #37380 Posted: Oct 2, 2009, 5:32 pm |
| It's bronze dagger plus hasten plus steam engine that makes it really neat...if I could hit the darn thing. |
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TzadkielPosts: 596 Location: Broukendale Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: OTAKU | Message #37519 Posted: Oct 5, 2009, 5:33 pm |
| Hrmm ... Sapphire eyes and telescoping goggles. |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #37521 Posted: Oct 5, 2009, 6:12 pm |
| I think those are sort of hard to get along with the bronze dagger. The question is though, why did the addy miss so much? |
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| NomNomNom Posts: 41
Location: Hans Mina
Magus Age: 145 years old
| Message #37531 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 12:55 am |
| It is the Enigmatic dragon, maybe it has magical evasion against adamantine (and possibly iron, they seem to be the "metal" golems). Perhaps it has more problems evading another kind of golem (perhaps since we think of adamantine as awesome, we should try flesh and see what happens?) Is the percentage of attacks going through with different golems that different (could you post some numbers?)? |
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| Sconibulus Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #37532 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 1:01 am |
| The chances of a flesh golem surviving long enough to get to melee are... not good, especially considering Flesh's low carrying capacity and the fact that this thing's breath weapon has a rather high minimum damage, in addition to being very deadly while armourless. |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #37534 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 1:43 am |
| Hehehe, half my point in starting this thread was in the hopes that someone else had numbers so I wouldn't have to gather them:) I will say that I have never seen a golem miss like that in clear day, at least that I recall. I'll see how my new golem does against it shortly. |
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PeggaPosts: 702 Location: Jaaron Magus Age: 128 years old Clan: ADV | Message #37543 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 4:37 am |
| Just as an aside, as I'm trying to get this last dragon myself, but the L5 Addy I sent against it today in the hopes that extra damage would help failed pretty miserably. One hit in the entire combat! The L5 copper I was sending up against it was at least getting in enough to do ~125-150 damage. I'm thinking of sending a sparkly L5 glass next. |
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| Xlrate Posts: 232
Location: Rildesjan
Magus Age: 114 years old
| Message #37544 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 4:44 am |
I have a level 5 Iron-Bone I could send if you guys want.... but he is not the strongest golem and has only basic armor.
If he dies though I will need some help acquiring another golem. |
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #37559 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 5:15 pm |
Transmuted golems cannot be sold on the market or otherwise transferred outside an alchemy clan.
Meelee vs dragons seems... rather hopelessly doomed. I'm not privy to the numbers on higher level meelee weapons but it seems difficult to survive five rounds of being beat on without being able to close into range and get any hits in. Last Edited: Oct 6, 2009, 5:16 pm |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #37560 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 5:20 pm |
| It is doable, but quite painful at best, and requires defensive spells.and I think I've got about the highest level melee weaponry in the wiki, the chains look okay, bu tare painfully slow. |
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #37562 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 5:26 pm |
Yeah, entirely not doable with our tech (some of us were wondering if fists, with their faster hit rate, would work better than ranged weapons. A moment of silence for the brave golems used in that example rapidly followed).
Our current debate is Anvil vs defensive spells. A guaranteed 90 or so damage with the high risk of shutting down before doing much else, versus lasting longer but doing less damage early on. Last Edited: Oct 6, 2009, 5:27 pm |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #37565 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 5:47 pm |
| With melee it's not even a question as far as I'm concerned. Unless maybe with a fully strength enhanced clay stacked with heavy plate...but probably not even then. I have to put the defensive spell on to avoid getting mangled, even running heavy plate on each location. |
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HarryhausenPosts: 562 Location: Jaaron Magus Age: 117 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #37566 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 5:57 pm |
| I would figure that a clay golem fully strength enhanced and loaded with 2X heavy iron on every location at least, then spelled for defense would reduce the ranged damage quite a bit, but first we'd need to know, what type of damage is flensing breath? |
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #37568 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 6:11 pm |
| I should add, the Chancellor is having a lot of luck farming Caerula with his str-boosted clay, getting a ton of loot, using the frost defense spell and... I want to say, Quake Boots. Naturally, that doesn't work against the song dragon, and anything higher level still kicks our asses. |
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TzadkielPosts: 596 Location: Broukendale Magus Age: 130 years old Clan: OTAKU | Message #37569 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 6:15 pm |
| I've had equal success farming with a clay1 as a clay5. Not so much on anything bedsides Caerula ;) |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #37577 Posted: Oct 6, 2009, 7:00 pm |
| Using my clay5 unboosted with nunchuku I could take the frost dragon everytime. Hadn't tried the song dragon, but I was assuming similar results. Had to do some serious boosting for that pesky Enigmatic dragon...and need to build some new parts before trying Gwen. |
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PeggaPosts: 702 Location: Jaaron Magus Age: 128 years old Clan: ADV | Message #37607 Posted: Oct 7, 2009, 4:55 am |
| laidan said:
Using my clay5 unboosted with nunchuku I could take the frost dragon everytime. Hadn't tried the song dragon, but I was assuming similar results. Had to do some serious boosting for that pesky Enigmatic dragon...and need to build some new parts before trying Gwen. I can get Gwen easily, but Akhenaten is still elusive. I can get ~150 on Akhenaten with a maxed L5 Copper, but a L5 Adamantine never gets into range for melee for me.
Might have to try the max L5 Clay. Nothing else seems to work. |
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| Kaelas Posts: 1052
Location: Darghelm
Magus Age: 124 years old
Real Name: Barry
| Message #37611 Posted: Oct 7, 2009, 6:38 am |
| I've had equal success farming with a clay1 as a clay5. Not so much on anything bedsides Caerula ;)
I use my Clay 5 for this simply because I already boosted him to max so why not? With a maxed stables, it's still only 6 moti and I get the full 10xp per hit so the only difference is that my chest and main hp are much higher- and that it heals 25 hp per part after combat.
Using my clay5 unboosted with nunchuku I could take the frost dragon everytime. Hadn't tried the song dragon, but I was assuming similar results
My average result:
Valadin did 255 dmg while Caerula the Frost Dragon did 52 dmg. The wet, marshy ground allows Valadin to recover 25 damage to its right leg, right arm, pelvis, chest, left leg, left hand, left arm, abdomen and head.
You earned 10 xp.
Your golem will be back at your workshop in 2 min 37 sec.
Looted: You found 2144 gold coins, 819 bars of gold, 1088 bars of silver, 443 coils of copper, 1443 pouches of gems and 1125 nuggets of adamantine.
So I don't even have to repair half the time. But I haven't even tried any of the other dragons yet, they are too far anyway for farming. |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #37619 Posted: Oct 7, 2009, 2:23 pm |
| Must be nice to not have to wear armor. The clay regen when fighting Caerula is definitely nice, but doesnt work with the rest. I did finally beat Gwen yesterday, the nunchuku do the trick, along with a lot of armor. |
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| Sconibulus Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 123 years old
| Message #37634 Posted: Oct 7, 2009, 6:02 pm |
| I'm pretty sure he's heavily armoured with Sticky Fingers, actually. Even a fairly light amrouring gives only like 500-700 resources (in my limited experience) |
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NecariaPosts: 505 Location: Rildesjan Magus Age: 122 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #37653 Posted: Oct 7, 2009, 9:17 pm |
| In that case, must be nice not to have to use a resistance spell. Just foolishly tried without one on a clay 5 and got ripped to pieces, didn't even get a hit in. Bad luck was part of it, but still. |
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| Yamikuronue Posts: 1288
Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 122 years old
| Message #37655 Posted: Oct 7, 2009, 9:56 pm |
| It was already mentioned that the chancellor uses frost resist spells, Sconi. It's a fully strboosted clay 5. |
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| Kaelas Posts: 1052
Location: Darghelm
Magus Age: 124 years old
Real Name: Barry
| Message #37689 Posted: Oct 8, 2009, 5:18 am |
| It was already mentioned that the chancellor uses frost resist spells, Sconi. It's a fully strboosted clay 5.
Correct! I just have enough armor on each part to get the frost resist to 10 or so, then cast the cold resist spell. My golem only gets into melee maybe 3 out of 10 combats so I just have to worry about the five rounds of ice breath (about 50-70 damage).
With the armor and other items, I have 172 lbs free for looting. Once I get enough ice scales, I'll armor him up enough to loot with Sticky instead of Ice Resist to up the looting. |
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