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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 111 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41030 Posted: Jan 4, 2010, 9:07 pm |
I have a lvl 5 calcified I can send out there, it's not strength boosted though.
I can weigh it down in HIP, slay blade, and frostbite. See if Ele damage gets in at all.
I have one lvl of boosting left for my Iron to Wood then I will work on boosting my calcified to see where that gets us. Thank you for the idea! |
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HalfteaPosts: 1307 Location: Darghelm Magus Age: 132 years old Clan: ADV | Message #41031 Posted: Jan 4, 2010, 11:32 pm |
My elemental spells didn't scratch him, but that was on a Clay5. Hadn't tried an exotic yet. Even fully armoured I'm taking 21 damage per hit with crits doing 42, so make sure whatever it is can take a beating. I definitely recommend strength boosting if you can spare the XP, as doing 320 on him is much tougher than against a defending/attacking golem.
edits: I should have clarified, I survived the three encounters, I didn't defeat him. I came closest @~250 damage, but it was all scored with only my minimum damage from strength making it through, and no spell damage. so hopefully boosting and spelling an exotic might make a consistent difference rather than hoping for lucky hits. For Spell Clans I dunno if the Anvil will score on him if he dodges ranged weapons, but that might be an option.
Also, 'survived' is a relative term. I keep spare limbs/pelvises in my basement, because I lose limbs pretty regularly trying against this one. I doubled checked the damage today, did much worse on my part, (due to time of day?), but he took out a fully armoured pelvis. Last Edited: Jan 5, 2010, 1:40 am |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 104 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41033 Posted: Jan 5, 2010, 2:09 am |
| I'm going to try and bash it with my addy. I know, you all think that addy's accuracy is too low, but it worked for Gwen and Akhen, and it might work for Narisama. |
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| Sconibulus Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 116 years old
| Message #41034 Posted: Jan 5, 2010, 3:41 am |
| As a note, it's incredibly different to hit her. |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 111 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41039 Posted: Jan 5, 2010, 1:38 pm |
A clanny took a fully boosted gem against it on normal, frostbite, repeater dart tube to measure what damage makes it through.
Dart tube and fists both did 11 damage a hit, strength damage only.
Frost Resists => 13 (10 from frostbite, 3 from gem golem)
Pierce Resist => 15Last Edited: Jan 5, 2010, 2:51 pm |
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| Rednaxela Posts: 177
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 119 years old
| Message #41041 Posted: Jan 5, 2010, 2:09 pm |
| . . . Frostbite doesn't apply to ranged weapons SkitzYie. No damage enhancement spells do I'm afraid. |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 111 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41042 Posted: Jan 5, 2010, 2:47 pm |
It does apply to fists, thats how I can say it does nothing against this dragon.
Fists and the RDT both did 11 damage a hit, there was no extra damage from fists meaning the spell did nothing.
And 11 damage is the minimum damage for a fully strength boosted gem golem, which means the 15 piercing from the RDT also was negated.
This is how I can say with certainty that this dragon has at least 13 frost resist and 15 puncture resist.
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 111 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41043 Posted: Jan 5, 2010, 3:11 pm |
Took lvl 2 gem fully boosted, slay blade, frostbite.
Went at night hoping the dragon would miss more.
went 5 rounds and lost my pelvis. Still did only strength damage (11 pts a hit) with a slayblade and frostbite on the gem golem.
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| Rednaxela Posts: 177
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 119 years old
| Message #41044 Posted: Jan 5, 2010, 4:10 pm |
| SkitzYie said:
It does apply to fists, thats how I can say it does nothing against this dragon.
Ahh, I thought you meant frostbite at the same time as the repeater.
Yeah... it doesn't surprise me that elemental resistances are so high
My current theory of how to beat the new dragon is the following:
- Gem3 golem
- Addy5 limbs
- Fully strength boosted
- As much heavy plate as possible
- No weapon, use fists
- "Anvil" clan spell
- High level item clan eyes and goggles
- (optional) High level item clan powersource
This would deal a massive number of strength-only hits very fast.
Given this, it's my current belief TATERU (aka, what used to be CRAZY8) is best poised to beat this dragon. My next bet at who might beat it would be WISE, however they only have item as a secondary, not primary.Last Edited: Jan 5, 2010, 6:16 pm |
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QuonPosts: 6 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 111 years old Clan: STEAM Real Name: Maria
| Message #41056 Posted: Jan 5, 2010, 10:17 pm |
| Given this, it's my current belief TATERU (aka, what used to be CRAZY8) is best poised to beat this dragon.
It will not be us. It is going to be a while before we get back to the same power level we were before our yearly change over. I am sure that someone else will come up with a solution before then.
Q |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 104 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41059 Posted: Jan 6, 2010, 1:32 am |
I don't see how it's even possible to slay narimasa. Her(or is it his?) minimun damage seems to be 21.
For defense clans there's always the option of using shields...or maybe Arkham would be nice enough to incorporate my Mirage spell idea...
But I don't see the point in slaying narimasa if you've already got the Vermithrax imperative achievement. You're probably going to spend millions of resources for repairs before you can finally slay her.True, everyone wants her scale... Last Edited: Jan 6, 2010, 1:58 am |
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| Sconibulus Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 116 years old
| Message #41061 Posted: Jan 6, 2010, 2:07 am |
| Well... it's a puzzle... many of us feel the need to solve it just to solve it. |
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| Rednaxela Posts: 177
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 119 years old
| Message #41064 Posted: Jan 6, 2010, 2:47 am |
Also, at least some of us were putting off the Vermithrax Imperative achievement... and now that another dragon was added, far far tougher. It's the same darn problem as now plagues the zoo achievement.... sigh....
Also, It's definitely possible to slay Narimasa. I'd bet quite solidly that the build I describe above would be capable of it. It just needs someone in an item clan with fully strength boosted Gem3 golem, and item/spell clan would be ideal so there's anvil too, but the only active clan with item primary spell secondary is TATERU I think, which will take some time to get leveled up. |
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| GordonIronsmith Posts: 434
Location: Broukendale
Magus Age: 113 years old
| Message #41066 Posted: Jan 6, 2010, 4:44 am |
Well None of the new level 10 spells will help since they'll be knocked down to 1 point of damage (against targets with no resistance there super)
With 300 Health and 21 min damage I think wining is a mater of luck and time and resources. |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 111 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41071 Posted: Jan 6, 2010, 2:09 pm |
I am working on strength boosting a lvl5 clay to bone. I can stack HIP with the CLay carry capacity and strength boost. Put a Steam engine on it for plenty of energy. Bone ability so it is not drained by the 50% dessert.
11 strength damage minimum per hit. 320 hitpoints = at least 32 damage needed per round. I'm not sure how many hits the bone golem will get in but it should be more than three per round. As long as the HIP can keep me alive I should get the kill. It wont be pretty but it's a kill and goes towards the achievement that I also put off....... :P |
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HalfteaPosts: 1307 Location: Darghelm Magus Age: 132 years old Clan: ADV | Message #41082 Posted: Jan 6, 2010, 5:38 pm |
According to the creature description, Naramissa is a 'he'.
And as a Defense Clan, while shields help, it doesn't seem to help enough with that 21 min damage dealt out. I might have to invest in a set of addy5 parts and strength boost a gem3 to find out though.
Combining with an Elephant Strength spell (for the extra 3 points min damage) may also help. Although I need to gain a few levels to have the spare slot to get that spell. :) |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 104 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41128 Posted: Jan 7, 2010, 9:02 pm |
Just 1 hip for each part seems to bring the damage down to the minimum.
Oh, btw don't try at night w/ gems head. He seems to see even better at night, if that's even possible. Did about 500 dmg. in the first round of combat. |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 113 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41129 Posted: Jan 7, 2010, 9:06 pm |
I don't think 1 plate mins the damage...though I guess that could depend what you're putting it on...
Edit: Also, does a gem head let you see at night? I thought that was a chest ability only...Last Edited: Jan 7, 2010, 9:14 pm |
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HalfteaPosts: 1307 Location: Darghelm Magus Age: 132 years old Clan: ADV | Message #41131 Posted: Jan 7, 2010, 9:50 pm |
| Seeing at night should be a chest only ability. I think the HIP and Iron limbs might give you the min damage. Don't know that for sure as I don't actually use HIP. |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 104 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41153 Posted: Jan 8, 2010, 1:47 am |
| Halftea said:
I think the HIP and Iron limbs might give you the min damage.
Yeah, forgot to mention iron limbs. The 6 base resist really makes a difference.Last Edited: Jan 8, 2010, 1:49 am |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 104 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41185 Posted: Jan 9, 2010, 12:46 am |
Okay, I asked Arkham about it, and this is his response:
Haha! Yes, it is possible. There were two ways to do it during testing, but neither were easy.
I will say that certain spells and weapons make things easier. But otherwise I think it's good that he's a puzzle yet to be solved. :)
Also, let me add that even when you solve how to defeat him, the risk and damage he will do during a win means he's probably not farmable -- but he is defeatable.
KepLast Edited: Jan 9, 2010, 1:10 am |
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| PhatsMahoney Posts: 558
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 108 years old
| Message #41188 Posted: Jan 9, 2010, 2:54 am |
Did any ranged guys throw their mortar cannon at him, or was that determined to be fruitless due to how fast he advances?
Just trying to think in terms of heavy weapons... |
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| Rednaxela Posts: 177
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 119 years old
| Message #41189 Posted: Jan 9, 2010, 3:13 am |
No, mortar cannon is a hopeless/terrible weapon period. Not just against this but in general. It's too slow/heavy and uses ridiculous amounts of energy.
The only thing that can hold a mortar and armor at once is a clay golem, and even if the best clan power sources were combined with the spell Second Wind, such a clay golem would STILL get almost no shots out of it due to the desert and mortar both wreaking heck on the energy. (not to mention that using second wind, item clan power, and ranged weapon at once is impossible)
It may have high damage numbers, but even a medium-heavy armored golem will completely armor all that completely away, and this dragon is absolutely certain to as well given all the tests I know of, which among other things demonstrate it having well over 30 fire resist and I'm guessing similar for all elements.
In Summary: Mortar against this would be completely fruitless even if the attacking golem had infinite HP and speed. Mortar sucks :-P
About how it can be done: I'm quite certain the build I described earlier would work successfully with a little bit of luck if anyone has the courage to put the resources into it, and access to both item clan things and spell clan things. I'm sure other ways to do it exist to beat it too, but I can tell you this: I am absolutely certain there is no way to beat it with a primarily ranged attack. I'm very certain the weapons that Kep talks about are melee weapons, and at that are high speed/accuracy ones rather than high damage ones.Last Edited: Jan 9, 2010, 3:18 am |
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| PhatsMahoney Posts: 558
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 108 years old
| Message #41190 Posted: Jan 9, 2010, 3:22 am |
Those were my thoughts exactly, it would be the same with our Spiked Chain.
Ah well, at least we have a mystery to solve here. |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 104 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41192 Posted: Jan 9, 2010, 3:54 am |
| Yeah, he must have at least 30 resist or something. I even tried my addy w/ nunchuku (+10 b) and it was still only doing minimum. |
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