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HarryhausenPosts: 562 Location: Jaaron Magus Age: 117 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41194 Posted: Jan 9, 2010, 4:06 am |
The only golems with attack speeds that outrank weapons are flesh, bone, glass, and gem. Since gem lvl5 isn't an option, and flesh AND glass 5 are weaklings in the defense and carrying capacity department, and bone golems aren't much better at carrying, I recommend a transmuted iron->bone golem with a haste spell.
Attacking with no weapons at all would give you the least energy usage, along with being a bone golem for the desert bonus.
The maximum strength would be 120, giving you 12(or is that 13) minimum damage per hit.
It could be equipped with a steam engine and still have room for one HIP and one MIP on the chest, and putting one HIP on all the other IRON5 parts would get the resists to the point of being at minimum damage.
You've got hp, speed, strength, energy, the only thing missing is accuracy. Any suggestions on that?
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| Rednaxela Posts: 177
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 126 years old
| Message #41195 Posted: Jan 9, 2010, 4:22 am |
| That sounds like a great build for it. For accuracy... item clans have a monopoly on that I'm afraid. Use diamond eyes, and if accuracy is poor enough, then maybe put a winter slayblade on, not for the damage but for the accuracy. It's not as fast as the bone but if accuracy without it is bad enough then it would be worth it. |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 118 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41210 Posted: Jan 9, 2010, 4:04 pm |
Thats the build I am working on, but Clay to Bone rather than Iron to bone as i had a lvl5 clay to bone already slightly strength boosted.
Diamond Eyes
Steam Engine
bone golem, fists
11 min damage +3 from +30 strength spell
I'm 3-4 days out from finishing the strength boost. Then need to find a clanny with the top strength spell. |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 110 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41221 Posted: Jan 9, 2010, 7:26 pm |
and you should make sure you have 2 arms, instead of only one. even if you have iron 5 arms, it would only take 4 hits- assuming he doesn't crit- to knock an arm off.
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 110 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41314 Posted: Jan 11, 2010, 9:07 pm |
| Damn it! I was so *#@$ close! I did 232+81(flying anvil) for a total of 313. Only 7 off! |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 118 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41316 Posted: Jan 11, 2010, 9:36 pm |
Soo close.
What was your golem setup....... if your willing to share :P |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 110 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41325 Posted: Jan 11, 2010, 10:52 pm |
| I'm willing to share. I just want the glory of being the first to slay Narimasa. Then I'll tell. Last Edited: Jan 11, 2010, 10:52 pm |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 118 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41346 Posted: Jan 12, 2010, 2:05 pm |
| Is it confirmed that single HIP reduces damage to the minimum on iron parts? |
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XorphitusPosts: 182 Location: Rildesjan Magus Age: 128 years old Clan: HAVOC | Message #41352 Posted: Jan 12, 2010, 7:16 pm |
This would assume Narisama doing only 16 damage in all 6 damage types plus the strength damage bonus.
This would at least explain the 110 damage done against unarmoured and not enchanted flesh golems in my test runs. Which were mainly to check the sonic damage resistance of Narisama which is about 15 pts.
But I did not check heavy iron plates yet. |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 110 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41353 Posted: Jan 12, 2010, 8:40 pm |
| Oh, hey. Good news for everybody that didn't do Vermithrax Imperative yet. Arkham says he's removing Narimasa from the achievement. |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 118 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41383 Posted: Jan 13, 2010, 5:09 pm |
Narimasa the Elemental Dragon rears up on his haunches and executes a solemn bow to your golem. "A worthy and formidable foe. You have my respect." With a waving gesture of one of his substantial front paws, the dragon slowly fades from sight
480E-NarH did 322 dmg while Narimasa the Elemental Dragon did 557 dmg.
Due to damage, your golem lost its heavy iron plate and diamond eyes.
You earned 10 xp.
Your golem will be back at your workshop in 3 min .
You didn't find any treasure on the Narimasa the Elemental Dragon.
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41384 Posted: Jan 13, 2010, 5:13 pm |
| Congrats, looks like the conversion works... |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 118 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41385 Posted: Jan 13, 2010, 5:18 pm |
Thank you :)
Yep, lvl 5 Clay to Bone, fully boosted with Elephant Strength on it.
1st attack was 9 rounds
2nd attack was 7 rounds
Beat her 2 times now, no loot drop at all yet with 180 pounds free.
bug?Last Edited: Jan 13, 2010, 5:21 pm |
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| Rednaxela Posts: 177
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 126 years old
| Message #41386 Posted: Jan 13, 2010, 5:25 pm |
There are a couple creatures that don't drop coins... so I'm guessing that Narimasa is one such creature as well, and that the only thing that Narimasa can drop is it's unique item (can be seen in the market dropdown), which is likely... a very nice item.
Wonder if the current build I'm going for will be good enough... hmm...Last Edited: Jan 13, 2010, 5:26 pm |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 118 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41388 Posted: Jan 13, 2010, 5:38 pm |
Well,
It looks like two kills is all I will get.
4 well aimed crits and my Narimasa killer is no more :(
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HarryhausenPosts: 562 Location: Jaaron Magus Age: 117 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41393 Posted: Jan 13, 2010, 6:46 pm |
| Congratulations SkitzYie! You are officially the first to kill the big bad dragon! Lets see the build Kenneth makes and if maybe he's found an easier route than minimum damage :) |
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laidanPosts: 1158 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41395 Posted: Jan 13, 2010, 6:48 pm |
| Ouch, gone just that quickly. I feel your pain. |
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KennethPosts: 133 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 110 years old Clan: OASIS | Message #41427 Posted: Jan 15, 2010, 1:09 am |
Crap. I got beaten to the chase, unfortunately. Narimasa was aiming at my abdomen a lot... it fell off before I could slay him.
But.. I could still be the first to get his blessing!Last Edited: Jan 15, 2010, 1:10 am |
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| Rednaxela Posts: 177
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 126 years old
| Message #41428 Posted: Jan 15, 2010, 1:40 am |
| I'll be racing for this prize too, I have a new golem ready that might do the job without any of that alchemy mumbo jumbo :) |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 118 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41435 Posted: Jan 15, 2010, 2:43 am |
Best of luck to you both :) I'm interested to see what you came up with.
I think an iron to bone transmutation would work much better than the clay to bone I tried, unfortunately dont have access to it :(
One thing I noticed was the large number of misses really hurt. It would have been a much shorter fight if I wasn't missing 75% of the time :P |
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| Rednaxela Posts: 177
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 126 years old
| Message #41440 Posted: Jan 15, 2010, 5:09 am |
Success! Killed Narimasa by round 5 of combat! :-)
Project iron-devil is a total success!
So, does this make me the second magus to kill Narimasa I wonder?
EDIT: If anyone wants to know the config I used... It's based on a non-transmuted iron5, and if you want to know details, send me a message.Last Edited: Jan 15, 2010, 5:41 am |
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AtroposPosts: 94 Location: Daylsfeld Magus Age: 138 years old Clan: AGOMC | Message #41441 Posted: Jan 15, 2010, 5:48 am |
Technically 5th, I think.
Hand of Fate did 320 dmg while Narimasa the Elemental Dragon did 42 dmg.
(I STILL think the dragons all need a bit of an uptweak.)
His blessing is definately nice. Please tell me once you get one. (I'm wondering how hard it actually is to obtain based on it's drop rate.)
As an aside, as a comparison:
Hand of Fate is still destroyed on average every 1/3 fights against the elementals, though, it is not tweaked to fight them. The loot is also hard to get. I think they're coming along well. I'm hoping that testing on them finishes soon so that something still stands to challenge everyone.
The air elemental seems to break the combat formula somehow. Badly.
Hand of Fate did 0 dmg while an ancient air elemental did 803 dmg. |
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| Rednaxela Posts: 177
Location: Rimesvin
Magus Age: 126 years old
| Message #41442 Posted: Jan 15, 2010, 5:58 am |
(I don't think Narimasa needs an uptweak as far as ranged/spell clans are concerned... I'm 99% sure absolutely nothing that can come out of a ranged/spell clan is stronger against Narimasa than what I just built... any more uptweak and it would become basically impossible for all but a couple specific clans I think, perhaps unfairly so)
Yeah... I'm definitely going to be trying to get a hold of that blessing... I'll let you know when I eventually do... |
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| PhatsMahoney Posts: 558
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 115 years old
| Message #41443 Posted: Jan 15, 2010, 6:12 am |
| Well isn't Hand of Fate a transmuted Adamantine to Glass or something crazy like that? Or Clay to Gem? |
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SkitzYiePosts: 383 Location: Mottonsborough Magus Age: 118 years old Clan: ARROW | Message #41450 Posted: Jan 15, 2010, 3:20 pm |
In the alchemy suggestion thread it says:
"Hand of Fate Level 5 Clay -> Gem"
Would be awesome is WE could access transmutes like that :P
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