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Kaelas
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Message #43277 Posted: Apr 5, 2010, 9:37 pm
Picked up something nice from the Titian with 161 lbs free, Giant Earthen Manifold. It's in the wiki.

On another note, don't try ranged versus the Tide. Oww.
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Message #43278 Posted: Apr 5, 2010, 9:52 pm
Is the drop rate increase over Narimasa's drop rate, or over "common" drop rate?
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Message #43279 Posted: Apr 5, 2010, 10:19 pm
Shield looks nice :)


What kind of damage did you take against the tide? We had decent success with ranged versus it. I think the Hurricane will be the biggest challange to range.... I have a feeling the "With speeds in excess of one-hundred fifty miles per hour" is going to act sorta like the vapor tubes do.
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Message #43280 Posted: Apr 5, 2010, 10:59 pm
Remember that speed = evasion. The hurricane is hard as hell to hit.
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Message #43283 Posted: Apr 5, 2010, 11:34 pm
Just shy of 900 damage in seven rounds. Ripped my arms off in round three but that didn't make too much of a difference given that I couldn't get far enough away from the blasted thing to use my repeater. If you try with ranged, I'd at least suggest setting him to 'normal' and not 'hangback' before attacking.

And I sent a few testing attacks on the hurricane. It attacks over a dozen times a round, repeatedly and I missed every time. Granted, it was an unarmed bone with glass eyes but still. Not a lot of damage per hit though.

And as you might expect, neither air nor fire were much impressed with Thunderous Blast- mined down to 8 damage. Worth a shot though.
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Message #43285 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 12:24 am
Massingill did 407 dmg while a forceful tide did 378 dmg.

You earned 10 xp.

Your golem will be back at your workshop in 2 min 37 sec.
Looted:
You didn't find any treasure on the forceful tide.



I was wrong about the ranged success vs. the Tide. I was using my boosted Addy with the heart shaped dagger, 1 x HIP per limb, and ice resit.
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Message #43289 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 1:28 am
To demonstate the dexertity of the hurricane: out of 173 attacks, I hit once. For three damage. And this was using a bone3 with diamonds, during the day.

So yes:

Remember that speed = evasion. The hurricane is hard as hell to hit.


I'd test more but it killed my probe.

EDIT: Also, it attacks about 25-30 times in the first round- and about the same in the second and third too. The lowest number of attacks I got in a round was 17. Even 4-5 damage a hit adds up fast with those numbers- and it crits about 20% of the time.
Last Edited: Apr 6, 2010, 1:36 am
Yamikuronue
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Message #43291 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 1:34 am
The market leaked the other drops; what we know of them is in the wiki, matched up to who we suspect drops each.
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Message #43292 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 1:39 am
Does accuracy help negate speed evasion?
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Message #43294 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 1:52 am
Higher accuracy makes you more accurate, yes. It's your accuracy vs their evasion, we think, in the same way that it's your damage vs their armor. The same golem will be less accurate against a speedier foe (about 1.5% subtracted from accuracy per foot of speed); for example, a clay golem vs a foe with a speed of 10ft at night hits about 55% of the time, while against a speed 20ft foe it's more like 40%. We don't know what the hurricane's actual speed is, however, but the dragons can move hundreds of feet in a round (no idea what the correlation between ft moved in a round and ft "speed" is; if it's like DnD, the movement per round could be up to 4x your "speed" stat) so it's almost certainly higher than any golem we have now.


ETA: The simplest way this could be coded, by the way, and our working model until we finish our research, is that your bonuses stack up to equal your accuracy, then penalties are applied for things like weather, enemy evasion, et cetera, until you get a final number; then basically a 100-sided die is rolled, with anything under that final number being a hit (so that high numbers hit more often). It differentiates between hitting trees and missing the creature, so it's clearly a little more complex, but that model works for explaining what different factors do.
Last Edited: Apr 6, 2010, 1:55 am
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Message #43296 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 2:21 am
Confirmed Kaelas' results: got a manifold with 170 pounds free. I won't ruin it for those who want to figure it out for themselves, but I will say that the earthen titan at least is beatable using melee.
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Message #43297 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 3:11 am
Fire's fist seems to do 100% fire damage; the impact damage, if any, is negligible.

ETA: Also probably paranoia, but it seems to home in on the chest....
Last Edited: Apr 6, 2010, 3:16 am
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Message #43299 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 4:53 am
Skitz,

Is the ice resist necessary for the water elemental, or was it a precautionary measure for your first attack?
Last Edited: Apr 6, 2010, 5:27 am
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Message #43303 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 12:32 pm
I attacked the Tidal guy twice, once with ice resist and once with elephant strength. I took A LOT more damage with out the resist spell. Mustafa had a similar experience.

While I don't want to say it is for sure, it sure looks like it is doing ice damage in our four attacks so far. Going to test more today.
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Message #43304 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 1:50 pm
I'll do some more testing as well. When I can get my golem put back together.
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Message #43306 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 2:37 pm
Have not had good luck against the tidal guy today.

Best attacks for me so far have been my boosted addy, HIP x1, Ice resist, and heart shaped dagger. I am taking 350-400 damage with that set up.



I also sent a golem with some IDS and Ice resist..... I am out 8 IDS now :( There apparently is more than ice damage going on there.



Someone else in the clan had decent success with a RDT vs. the tidal guy, I wasn't able to recreate that this morning.








DonJuanDeBascobel
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Message #43310 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 4:19 pm
I was able to kill [the tidal elemental] yesterday with +14 damage bonus on my addy and reinforced nunchuku. Was taking about 350-450 damage with that. No drop yet though. I'd put more armor on but I want to make sure that I have enough weight open for the drop...
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Message #43312 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 5:28 pm
From what I have seen in my testing minimum damage looks to be 7 on the tidal guy.
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Message #43318 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 6:43 pm
well the trophy is called everfrost, so i suppose it should be ice.
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Message #43320 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 6:54 pm
omg i slayed the hurricane guy!

...but no loot...
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Message #43321 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 7:13 pm
Nice!


I've given it a few shots but can't land enough hits. I'm not taking much damage for going 10 rounds (I have that piece figured out).


Just trying to figure out how to get enough hits in now.
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Message #43322 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 7:25 pm
i only took 424 dmg, but it has temporarily retired my golem as i am out of addy.
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Message #43323 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 7:28 pm
424 is in the same area as what I was seeing at 7 dmg per hit.


I am hoping the Tidal elemental eye drop helps with accuracy enough to be able to aid with the Hurricane Elemental hunting.
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Message #43324 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 7:34 pm
there's an eye drop? so how many drops does the tidal guy have in all, or is that it?
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Message #43325 Posted: Apr 6, 2010, 7:45 pm
I believe the current guess is 2, the focusing mist (eyes) and the trophy that you have received.
 
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