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| CommComms Posts: 392
Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 121 years old
| Message #9548 Posted: Aug 5, 2008, 11:57 pm |
Hah! Edit ninja'd!
However, on further examination you're wrong in both posts. Not your grasp of english so much as your corrections don't correct anything, simply provide similar but ultimately different statements, as FatherCoyne so eloquently demonstrated above.
Also.
"so if your arguments are in fact futile perhaps they are not as reasonable as you believe."
Well... I guess... Can't really argue with that statement... Last Edited: Aug 6, 2008, 12:02 am |
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NanashiPosts: 1115 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OTAKU | Message #9549 Posted: Aug 6, 2008, 12:03 am |
CommComms pointed out that I did not remove all negatives from the previous statement. (he edited it out while I was writing my previous post).
FatherCoyne said:
O_O You do know there's a difference between painting something white, and not painting something black, right?
This does not correlate, since it doesn't use a double negative. i.e. doing one thing is not necessarily the same as not doing the opposite. ('He is standing' is not the same as 'He is not running') Therefore your statement is completely correct grammatically.
Sconibulus said:
He has failed to learn that reasonable arguments and counterpoints are futile?
Reasonable and logical arguments are only futile when drunk or sucking on the crack pipe of the internet. And call yourself a university scholar...
EDIT: Fine, fine. While technically incorrect grammar, double negatives are often used as a matter of emphasis and to shift the meaning of a sentence.Last Edited: Aug 6, 2008, 12:06 am |
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| Sconibulus Posts: 664
Location: Shuul
Magus Age: 116 years old
| Message #9552 Posted: Aug 6, 2008, 12:12 am |
Nanashi said:
Sconibulus said:
He has failed to learn that reasonable arguments and counterpoints are futile?
Reasonable and logical arguments are only futile when drunk or sucking on the crack pipe of the internet. And call yourself a university scholar...
That was trying to convert your statement into a form without negatives while maintaining the original meaning.
After all, not painting something a non-white colour doesn't necessarily mean it was painted white, it could mean that it was not painted at all. That statement without negatives would be "the only colour in which it could have been painted was white" |
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| FatherCoyne Posts: 332
Location: Mallow
Magus Age: 116 years old
Real Name: Kevin Coyne
Email: KCoyne@umail.ucsb.edu
| Message #9557 Posted: Aug 6, 2008, 12:27 am |
| Nanashi said:
This does not correlate, since it doesn't use a double negative. i.e. doing one thing is not necessarily the same as not doing the opposite. ('He is standing' is not the same as 'He is not running') Therefore your statement is completely correct grammatically. AAAAH! You did it again!
You said that:
'FatherCoyne has learned to make reasonable arguments and counterpoints'
Is the same as:
"FatherCoyne hasn't learned not to make those reasonable arguments and counterpoints."
The second half of your sentence was "...learned to make reasonable arguments and counterpoints."
That is the opposite of the second half CommComm's sentence "...learned not to make those reasonable arguments and counterpoints."
Now, the first half of what you said was "FatherCoyne has".
The first half of what CommComms said was "FatherCoyne has not".
What about that is not saying that "Father Coyne has done something" is the same as "Father Coyne has not done the opposite."?Last Edited: Aug 6, 2008, 12:33 am |
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NanashiPosts: 1115 Location: Asylum Magus Age: 120 years old Clan: OTAKU | Message #9558 Posted: Aug 6, 2008, 12:35 am |
The first time I removed the issue of the double negative "hasn't...not" or at least attempted to.
So yes I amend my statement about your comparison. Saying that someone HAS learned to do something is not the same as saying someone hasn't learned not to do something.
While "un-" is technically a negative it is more accepted than using "not" twice in a sentence.
As for the rest I give up. |
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ZugZugPosts: 300 Location: Ibonbourg Magus Age: 119 years old Clan: OTAKU | Message #9595 Posted: Aug 6, 2008, 1:58 pm |
| I'm starting to think this forum needs an outside moderator... :/ |
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| FatherCoyne Posts: 332
Location: Mallow
Magus Age: 116 years old
Real Name: Kevin Coyne
Email: KCoyne@umail.ucsb.edu
| Message #9598 Posted: Aug 6, 2008, 3:02 pm |
Only just now?
XD What were you thinking two weeks ago? |
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ZugZugPosts: 300 Location: Ibonbourg Magus Age: 119 years old Clan: OTAKU | Message #9653 Posted: Aug 7, 2008, 3:08 am |
| I got tired and took a little break from the forums. The whole mandate/declaration thing was amusing, but even as a non-magier person I'm pretty sick of the multi-account paranoia and the real anti-magier zealots around. Some people really seem to be taking this game a little too seriously. And, this was like the 3rd thread in a row that went totally off the rails. Two pages of grammatical nitpicking? Good grief. |
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| CommComms Posts: 392
Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 121 years old
| Message #9658 Posted: Aug 7, 2008, 3:33 am |
| Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay. |
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PeggaPosts: 702 Location: Jaaron Magus Age: 122 years old Clan: ADV | Message #9676 Posted: Aug 7, 2008, 12:38 pm |
| ZugZug said:
And, this was like the 3rd thread in a row that went totally off the rails. Two pages of grammatical nitpicking? Good grief.
And here I was thinking that only two pages of nitpicking over in the weeds away from the rails was doing good. |
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