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Moonsinger
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Location: Arzenbourg
Magus Age: 112 years old
Message #7931 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 12:27 am
ZugZug said:

I for one think their idea is very clever. While I'm not into RP, a lot of people seem to be here. Why not a mafioso-like clan?


Well, there's always the risk it will be _successful_.
Nanashi
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Location: Asylum
Magus Age: 119 years old
Clan: OTAKU
Message #7934 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 12:49 am
Belin was the saint of prostitutes and drunk right?
CommComms
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Location: Daylsfeld
Magus Age: 120 years old
Message #7935 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 12:55 am
No, he's the saint of Sunday.
Pegga
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Location: Jaaron
Magus Age: 121 years old
Clan: ADV
Message #7936 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 12:59 am
Nanashi said:

Belin was the saint of prostitutes and drunk right?
Don't forget the illicit substances, extortion, and racketeering.
Yamikuronue
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Location: Mottonsborough
Magus Age: 116 years old
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Message #7938 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 1:33 am
CommComms said:

No, he's the saint of Sunday.


Ah, of course, the saint of the sun. Or did he invent the day sunday and happen to name it after a bright burning ball of gas instead of a religious figure? Maybe he was martyred by being tossed into the sun?
Nanashi
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Message #7939 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 1:45 am
You might be right Yami. I have heard that Belin was full of hot air. Although I have yet to hear of this "Sunday" is it some kind of dessert? Cause it is not anywhere in the Muelsfell calendar.
Yamikuronue
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Message #7940 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 2:12 am
Nanashi said:

You might be right Yami. I have heard that Belin was full of hot air. Although I have yet to hear of this "Sunday" is it some kind of dessert? Cause it is not anywhere in the Muelsfell calendar.


No, you're thinking of a Sundae. Sunday must be one of those newfangled words for daytime - the part of the day when the sun is up?
Panacea
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Location: Broukendale
Magus Age: 116 years old
Message #7941 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 2:45 am
Happy St Belin's Day Magier.
Yonk
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Location: Villuno
Magus Age: 125 years old
Message #7949 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 4:53 am
And a happy St Bel - waitaminute, it's HYMNSDAY! Curse your clever-type trickery! To arms! (smashes Yamikuronue with spiked chain)
Yamikuronue
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Message #7953 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:33 am
Yonk said:

And a happy St Bel - waitaminute, it's HYMNSDAY! Curse your clever-type trickery! To arms! (smashes Yamikuronue with spiked chain)


Do you feel better now that you've come away with nothing and merely managed to inconvenience me slightly? Why me, anyway?
Ryphus
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Location: Shilo Steppe
Magus Age: 112 years old
Message #7958 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 9:39 am
FatherCoyne said:

Rigby said:
Stop trying to veil your selfish intentions through a false noble cause.
Nope, won't do that either.


The irony in that is the fact that saying you won't cease, you are admitting to having done so... which is an admission of guilt as far as the 'selfish intentions' are concerned... as well as an admission to the falsity of your nobility.

At its core, people come to this game to have fun. I'm quite new to this game, and don't even belong to a clan... which means I'm not covered by the stricture you're trying to impose....

But if this is the reality of the game, if this is what I have to look forward to as I pour more time and effort into it, and as I invest more of myself in it... then I'm not entirely certain this is worth my time anymore.

I haven't the means to stop you from attacking me for voicing my opinion.... but I can promise you that if you beat on me with the consistency that you seem to be promising to devote to the full blown clans... I won't be playing long enough to care.
Nanashi
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Message #7985 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 4:26 pm
Having read the latest post in MAGIER's recruitment thread (posting here to stay out of there), all I have to say is that you can pass all the laws you want for your own clan. Just don't pass laws for other clans. You don't have the power to enforce your laws on any other clan. Learn from history and don't start a war you can't win. Do you see any other clan trying to extort people outside that clan?
laidan
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Clan: OASIS
Message #7993 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 4:50 pm
Maybe there needs to be a Magier existence tax?
Ryphus
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Location: Shilo Steppe
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Message #7999 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:04 pm
I'd support that, in sentiment if not in resources.
Caduceus
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Location: Last Alvia Dawning
Magus Age: 125 years old
Clan: OTAKU2
Real Name: Paul
Message #8007 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:33 pm
Nanashi said:

...you can pass all the laws you want for your own clan. Just don't pass laws for other clans. You don't have the power to enforce your laws on any other clan.

They absolutely have the military power to strong-arm smaller guilds. That's why treaties and mutual-defense pacts are vital.

History tells us that any religious order will squeeze the little guys as much as possible and turn a blind eye to those of a comparable power level-- the nobility, merchant guilds, et cetera.

They're not even squeezing that hard. Even for the 2nd-highest scored clan, ToMU, the tithe is a pittance. There are no "high level members" that I can see (a level 9, a level 10, I don't think those count) so the amount would be 21 members x 2000 iron = 42000 iron per week. For an entire guild, that's a drop in the bucket. This is symbolic-- it's MAGIER asking for a token offering of earth and water, playing up the RP aspect of being righteous dongs while getting a little extra resources.

For smaller guilds, it would be a lot cheaper to give up some iron than repair broken walls and busted golems. It's what, a few hours of each person's iron production per week? Big whoop.
Yamikuronue
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Message #8008 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:35 pm
We have some members higher than 10, but our officers (the only visible ones to outsiders) are not. And we USE our iron. And it's ours. They also initially demanded we exile one of our members, which is non-negotiable. We don't want their clan running ours.
CommComms
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Message #8010 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:41 pm
Cadaceus is exactly right except for two things. First: we also have the military power to strong arm the stronger guilds, when we get around to it. Second, TOMU would end up owing something around 140k iron per week currently. The terms of how the tax is calculated is a little vague, and I'm sure a clearer, better formula will be adopted eventually. Regardless, the amount we're asking is a pittance, especially compared to the cost of our wrath.
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Real Name: Paul
Message #8013 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:48 pm
Yamikuronue said:

We have some members higher than 10, but our officers (the only visible ones to outsiders) are not.

Okay, then add a bit more iron on there, say 60k per week. That's still nothing compared to repair bills.

Edit-- 140k. I didn't count Sterling, as he quit a long time ago.

Yamikuronue said:

And we USE our iron. And it's ours.

Did you stomp your foot while saying that? My apologies, but that came across as quite petulant. Stand on principles all you like, but they are a poor defense when a spiked chain comes whirling at your golem's head.

Yamikuronue said:

They also initially demanded we exile one of our members, which is non-negotiable.

I don't know anything about that, I can only speak about the topic of the thread. Out of curiosity, was it Sterling?

Yamikuronue said:

We don't want their clan running ours.

Of course you don't. As I said, I don't know the backstory between you folks, all I know is what's been presented in the thread. They're asking for chump change and people are acting like they demanded the virtue of your daughters.
Last Edited: Jul 24, 2008, 5:50 pm
Caduceus
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Message #8014 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 5:49 pm
CommComms said:

Cadaceus is exactly right except for two things. First: we also have the military power to strong arm the stronger guilds, when we get around to it.

I was speaking specifically of my own guild.

So, in that light, I was quite correct.
Nanashi
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Message #8016 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:05 pm
Sorry, I didn't mean to escalate this argument. I should have kept my mouth shut since I am interested in staying out of PvP. What I meant was that if MAGIER extorts tributes from all the other clans and then tries to enforce such extortion. Yes the small clans will suffer, but (hopefully) the other clans would form an alliance to retaliate against MAGIER. Personally I don't want any clan to be destroyed. Skirmishes are one thing, but an all out war benefits no one.
Yamikuronue
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Message #8020 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:19 pm
Caduceus said:

Yamikuronue said:

And we USE our iron. And it's ours.

Did you stomp your foot while saying that? My apologies, but that came across as quite petulant. Stand on principles all you like, but they are a poor defense when a spiked chain comes whirling at your golem's head.



I meant it to. I should have tossed a smiley in there. 's what I get for trying to lighten things up when I've just woken. My apologies. This entire thing is starting to sound petulant, really. They keep making demands and we keep refusing them. I'm failing to see this particular... negotiation reaching a peaceable conclusion in the near future.

Yamikuronue said:

They also initially demanded we exile one of our members, which is non-negotiable.

I don't know anything about that, I can only speak about the topic of the thread. Out of curiosity, was it Sterling?


Yes. They're rather hung up on him.
Last Edited: Jul 24, 2008, 6:21 pm
Necaria
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Location: Rildesjan
Magus Age: 115 years old
Clan: OASIS
Message #8025 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:25 pm
I'm a little surprised at you Caduceus. Sure it's not a huge sum(though for my clan it's quite a bit, nearly as much as it is for TOMU but with only 6 members), but that's hardly the point. You make it sound like making arbitrary demands seemingly just for the sake of making them is a perfectly normal thing. I suppose you wouldn't mind paying my clan a tax while you're at it? Since MAGIER is claiming your iron, maybe you could give us some stone, it's a little less valuable than iron, so instead of the 150k they get, maybe 200k? Seems fair.

There is a reason countries as policy don't negotiate with terrorists. Yes what they do may be awful, but it sets a precedent and only emboldens them and others in the future. Not to mention generally speaking they'd just spend the pay off so they can do it on an even larger scale next time.
Last Edited: Jul 24, 2008, 6:27 pm
Poseidon
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Message #8027 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:28 pm
Communism worked in theory, too...
Ryphus
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Message #8032 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:35 pm
CommComms said:

Regardless, the amount we're asking is a pittance, especially compared to the cost of our wrath.


Oh, you mean the self respect you're demanding every other clan in the game hand over to you?

Trust me, the degradation inherent in yielding to you is -far- costlier than any material cost of rebuilding what you raze. Those of us who've grown up and are out of the school yard know that lunch money is a pittance as well... but that doesn't mean we consider it acceptable for our children to yield to the bullies of their generation.

The membership of each Clan gives their resources to the clan, for the clan's use and for the Clan's good, just as a parent gives his child lunch money for his child's use. It is an usurpation and a crime when another child comes along and seizes that money, or demands it with implicit or explicit threat, and the parent has every right to be incensed.
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Message #8036 Posted: Jul 24, 2008, 6:49 pm
There's more to life than numbers.

Some things you just cant put a price tag on.
 
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